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1. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
As the thread starter at the link above I completely agree. I cannot work with 4.1 at all becuase of this
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2. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
No.
The previous approach was to use "pixel doubling", meaning to render at 1/4 resolution first, and then update to full-resolution when time was available. This approach renders at full resolution but without the sharpening applied.
Frankly, I don't even notice it. I don't care if sharpening is applied or not while I'm adjusting the general image tone. Note that the sharpening IS applied when adjusting the sliders in the detail panel, where it actually matters.
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3. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
>Note that the sharpening IS applied when adjusting the sliders in the detail panel, where it actually matters.
You must be running different software than I am. Using the detail panel and adjusting the sliders blurs the image and it does not unblur until you release the mouse and move it off the slider. In 4.0 and all previous versions you saw immediate changes to the slider movement, but now you don't know what you've done until you release and move off the slider. To be clear, I'm not a Windows user.
I've got just a bit of time left on the trial. I'd like to know if this is the way they plan on leaving it, as I'll just move on if that's the case. Sure glad I waited on this version and didn't pay for it yet.
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4. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
I'm running 4.1RC on Windows.
I don't know if they intend to leave this feature in or not, but I know for a fact that the sliders in the detail panel are supposed to update instantly WITH SHARPENING APPLIED as you move the sliders, and they do exactly that on my Windows machine. If they aren't doing that for you, then that's a bug in the implementation.
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5. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
I get a blurred image until I release and move my mouse off the slider in 4.1RC. Maybe this is only on the Mac end, I have no way of testing, but when I go back to 4.0 it works as it always has. I remember they tried this "hack" before and there was an outcry of complaints and they changed it back. I fear they are trying to pass it off on us again as it's an easy fix for speed issues.
I'm back in 4.0 now, working as expected. I hope they fix this before my trial runs out or I'll have to reformat to try it again. I'm not buying it until I know this is not the way it's going to be going forward.
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6. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
dmcrescent wrote:
I get a blurred image until I release and move my mouse off the slider in 4.1RC.
Using the sliders in the detail panel? The need to move teh mouse off the sliders in the other panels is a confirmed bug.
I remember they tried this "hack" before and there was an outcry of complaints and they changed it back
As I described in detail above, that is not quite correct.
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7. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
Yes, using the sliders in the detail panel. Whether or not the exact method they previous used was this one, it still gives the same impression on the user end. I don't know the inner workings of Lr like you do. I just know how it reacts and this is just like they tried before, blurring the image with no feedback until releasing the mouse button.
I could be wrong about moving the mouse off the slider and it may just be when releasing the mouse, before the blurred image goes away and you see your changes. I trashed 4.1RC and am not going back to it to find out.
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8. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
And now I'm downloading 4.1RC again because I just have to know what the deal is here. I'll report back in a few minutes on what I find.
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9. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
dmcrescent,
I am seeing the exact same thing. Mac, Snow Leopard. It is not possible to
tell what individual adjustments in the develope module have done until you
release and wait for update. This is kinda like "hit and miss". Not good. Did
not update to 4.1RC on windows 7 laptop so can't speak to that.
asu_chic
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10. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
Now I feel like I'm losing my mind. It works correctly. I don't understand this as I am positive of the behavior I was experiencing before. It was bad enough I dumped 4.1RC and when I went back to 4.0 it behaved as it does now. I guess it was some sort of glitch in my previous installation.
Thanks for hanging in there with me long enough to make me reinstall it.
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11. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
asu_chic, possibly try reinstalling 4.0, then re-download 4.1RC and install again. That's the procedure I just used and the problem is gone. Who knows, maybe they updated the 4.1RC without saying anything. I'm at a loss, but it works now as expected.
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12. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
dmcrescent,
Did you reinstall LR4 and then update to RC4.1 again or just reinstall??????
asu_chic
sorry, you must have read my mind and beat me to it!!
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13. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
Oh yes, I recall seeing a post where Adobe is aware of a problem on Snow Leopard. I'm pretty sure it was posted on photoshop.com.
I'm on Lion.
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14. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
dmcrescent wrote:
Now I feel like I'm losing my mind. It works correctly.
What do you mean "correctly", specifically?
Correctly should be:
Non-detail panel sliders: Sharpening is not applied until time is available, but is applied as soon as it is, no mouse-up, no moving off of slider required (note that this is not how it works for me on Windows).
Detail panel sliders: Sharpening always applied as you move the sliders.
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15. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
Everything I'm referring to is using the Sharpening slider in the Detail panel.
By correctly I mean that now when I move the slider I see immediate feedback with no blurred image.
Previously, I saw a blurred image until I released my mouse.
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16. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
Ditto. I have just reinstalled LR4 and will now try a fresh update to the RC and advise.
asu_chic
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17. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
dmcrescent wrote:
Everything I'm referring to is using the Sharpening slider in the Detail panel.
By correctly I mean that now when I move the slider I see immediate feedback with no blurred image.
Previously, I saw a blurred image until I released my mouse.
Okay, so let me ask you this.
If it worked as intended - as I described above - would it be okay?
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18. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
Yes, it works now as intended. I have no idea why my previous installation was broken other than possibly some sort of installation glitch. I'm now using 4.1 RC without issue.
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19. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
dmcrescent wrote:
Yes, it works now as intended. I have no idea why my previous installation was broken other than possibly some sort of installation glitch. I'm now using 4.1 RC without issue.
Okay, so to be clear, you don't mind not having sharpening applied during sliders movements for the sliders outside of the detail panel (saturation, exposure, etc.)?
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20. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
Since I didn't notice that, it doesn't affect me.
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21. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
Lee Jay
The problem was that the sliders in the develope module did not respond until you actually took the mouse off the slider and there
was no visual indication of what your effect would be until it "reset". Not usuable. I can report that the fresh reinstall of the 4-1RC
over a fresh install of LR4 is now working on my mac/Snow Leopard. Note that I did upgrade from the beta and do not know if this
is of any significance. I did have to download a fresh LR4 as the beta is expired and the sliders are now working as they should with
no lag in updating.
asu_chic
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22. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
I just went in to see what you were referring to and I now see how sharpening is turned off while adjusting the other sliders and comes back once you release the mouse. No, this does not bother me in any way.
To be clear, what I WAS seeing when adjusting the sharpening slider in detail panel was a completely low-res/blurred image while adjusting the slider, only to see a full-res version with adjustments once I released the mouse. It made it impossible to view your adjustment until you released the mouse. I DO NOT see that now after reinstalling. It now works as it always has in the past, with immediate feedback.
Whew, glad that's over.
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23. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
asu_chic, so the reinstall fixed your issue also? Glad to hear that!
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24. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
dmcrescent,
Your description of the effect I was seeing is exactly dead on and yes, I am glad that it appears resolved. It was unusable.
Hope the other RC1 issues discussed in other threads are resolved quickly. I kinda wonder about the install over the Beta
thingy as the file downloaded shows the same file size and name. It does not look like the RC1 was changed, but I guess
we may never know.
asu_chic
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25. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
Well, I can see how the lack of sharpening while adjusting sharpening could be a problem!
Must be a bug of some sort.
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26. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
Well, I can see how the lack of sharpening while adjusting sharpening could be a problem!
If you hadn't told me about it, I wouldn't have noticed it. What asu_chic and I were experiencing was so much worse than that and made the software unusable. Thanks to you both for hanging in there with me and for asu_chic verifying I wasn't crazy.
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27. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
Likewise! I did not want to believe what I was seeing. I really wanted to wait on LR 4.1 until
the actual update was done but need the MKIII update as the new kid arrives tomorrow!
asu_chic
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28. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
Envious! My 7D dreams of being a MKIII in it's next life!
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29. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
I went back to LR 4 when I saw the "blur" effect... I'm also suprised that so few people are complaining about it... For me it is clear. If LR4.1 has it , then I will stay with LR4. I hope Abode gets it fixed.
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30. Re: Didn't they try this blur update in Lr 2 also?
I hope this is fixed as well. I will remove 4.1 and resinstall 4.0 and then 4.1 from a fresh download as tiem allows in the next day or so and report back