20 Replies Latest reply: Jul 19, 2014 12:33 AM by Geoff the kiwi RSS

    Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?

    wmp_slc Community Member

      I am getting really bad results processing Nikon D800 files in LR4. Noise and CA are prevalent even at very low ISO and the images just aren't sharp. I thought due to the high resolution of this camera that the files may need a little more sharpening, but when I do that the noise gets out of control. I thought it was a camera issue and contacted Nikon. They basically wouldn't even talk to me unless I was using their Capture NX software so I downloaded it and ran comparisons. The difference was like night and day - the files looked great in Capture NX. I have run all my previous Nikon cameras, D200, D300, D2X, D700 through LR up to version 3 and have had no issues till this new camera. I really don't want to shift my workflow over to Nikons software at this point. I realize LR 4 and compatibility for the new D800 hit at the same time and am just hoping they have not had enough time to work on this particular camera suppport but am wondering what others with the D800 are seeing.

        • 1. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
          getho Community Member

          nikon need to pull their head out of their bottom.  You cant dictate to a professional what software to use. Its not realistics and its arrogant.

           

          Sorry I'm no help. but commiserations (I will say that my first results with the 7d were horrible until an update was released)

          • 2. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
            wmp_slc Community Member

            I agree totally but at this point I don't have much choice. I really haven't read of others seeing this problem and just wanted to find out if others are getting similar results.

            • 3. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
              Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață Community Member

              I played with a studio shot from Imaging Resource and it looked perfectly fine. Samples at dpreview look good too (and the do use ACR, afaik).

               

              What are your sharpening and NR settings?

              • 4. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                wmp_slc Community Member

                Sorry, I have been out of town. My Sharpness settings are pretty low about level 30-40 at.08 and no NR. I really think it might be the camera, but Nikon Capture is night much better on the file. I don't know if you can see it in this comparison of ACR and Capture NX after sizing and jpegging, maybe in the hair but there is a distinct difference.

                Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață wrote:

                 

                I played with a studio shot from Imaging Resource and it looked perfectly fine. Samples at dpreview look good too (and the do use ACR, afaik).

                 

                What are your sharpening and NR settings?

                acrCapturecompare.jpg

                • 5. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                  wmp_slc Community Member

                  Here is an LR 4.1 and Capture NX comparison. You can't really set the same sharpness setting since the two programs have different controls . The settings in LR 4.i are 40, 0.8 and 35 (detail) I also gave it a little sharpening in PS as it seemed way softer than the capture one. But when I run the sharpness up in LR 4 the noise gets crazy even at ISO 100.

                  lr4Capturecompare.jpg

                  • 6. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                    DdeGannes MVP

                    It is a matter of preference which rendition is better!

                    • 7. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                      Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață Community Member

                      These seem equally sharp to me.

                       

                      That said, the NX version has more sharpening applied and also has darker shadows, which gives higher contrast and more perceived sharpness as a result.

                      • 8. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                        R Geoffrey

                        I'm unable to download Nikon D800 pictures onto LR4 too ...  I've seen hints that Adobe is preparing a fix but nothing definite.  The D800 is one of the world's top performing cameras and this is very disappointing.  It would be reassuring if folk at Adobe could spare a moment to respond directly to these concerns.

                        • 9. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                          Geoff the kiwi MVP

                          Also one of the newest. As you can see above people are using Lightroo for their D800 files so you can too!

                          R Geoffrey wrote:

                           

                          I'm unable to download Nikon D800 pictures onto LR4 too ...  I've seen hints that Adobe is preparing a fix but nothing definite.  The D800 is one of the world's top performing cameras and this is very disappointing.  It would be reassuring if folk at Adobe could spare a moment to respond directly to these concerns.

                          • 10. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                            Geoff the kiwi MVP

                            It looks as if Nikon have their equivalent of Clarity turned up. Have you tried some Clarity in Lr? I see the Lr file as being a little soft and the NX file as over sharp. Somewhere between would be good!!

                            • 11. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                              R Geoffrey Community Member

                              Yes, I can see from the messages above that "some" people are can download Nikon D800 files onto Lightoon 4.

                               

                              However, not "everyone".  In my case, my attempts to download are greeted with a message that LR4 does not recognise the D800 files. It is possible, I wonder, the Nikon video files or the Nikon live view files are causing this non-recognition by LR4.

                               

                              In my experience Nikon Capture NX2 is not an option.  It is "clunky" by comparison with LR2 and amazingly does not cater for video files created by Nikon camers.

                               

                              Again, I ask if someone at Adobe can spare a moment to respond to these concerns.

                              • 12. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                                MadManChan2000 Adobe Employee

                                Currently, Lr 4.0 does not read D800 NEF files when shot in the Live View Video Mode.  This will be fixed.

                                • 13. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                                  wmp_slc Community Member

                                  yes I notice the contrast difference after I ran out the files. I didn't do anything to exposure or contrast settings in either file in Lightroom or Capture NX but I forgot that in Capture NX picture controls are recognized on RAW files so it probably picked up something there. There is some apparent sharpening by the increase in black but I don't think that it is that different that the sharpness difference can't be seen. Increasing the sharpness in LR4 to the point where it mimics Capture NX just makes the noise level go crazy. I have just never had an issue with sharpening and noise increase in LR on any previous cameras. The D700 files always looked great.

                                  Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață wrote:

                                   

                                  These seem equally sharp to me.

                                   

                                  That said, the NX version has more sharpening applied and also has darker shadows, which gives higher contrast and more perceived sharpness as a result.

                                  • 14. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                                    MadManChan2000 Adobe Employee

                                    That depends on what you're comparing.  If you're looking at the per-pixel level (e.g., 100%), sure the images from the D800 may appear to be more sensitive to sharpening -- that's because each pixel is physically smaller (compared to the D700) and thus has correspondingly higher noise level.  Sharpening in Lightroom works at the pixel level, so it is expected that you'll need to be more careful with applying Masking and luminance noise reduction with the higher-res D800 files.

                                    • 15. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                                      wmp_slc Community Member

                                      MadManChan2000 wrote:

                                       

                                      That depends on what you're comparing.  If you're looking at the per-pixel level (e.g., 100%), sure the images from the D800 may appear to be more sensitive to sharpening -- that's because each pixel is physically smaller (compared to the D700) and thus has correspondingly higher noise level.  Sharpening in Lightroom works at the pixel level, so it is expected that you'll need to be more careful with applying Masking and luminance noise reduction with the higher-res D800 files.

                                      Those samples are at 100%. There is no noise reduction used in any of them but I can't find a combination of settings that will sharpen them adequetly and keep the noise in check. Capture NX doesn't seem to have that problem, but I hate to switch workflows after using LR for som many years.

                                      • 16. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                                        JG_Coleman Community Member

                                        wmp_slc wrote:

                                         

                                        The settings in LR 4.i are 40, 0.8 and 35 (detail)

                                         

                                        What level of masking are you using?  If your masking is too low, then it might explain why noise is being sharpened (and, thus, introducing even more noise).  Not sure if you mentioned the masking setting yet, but I didn't see anything about it while browsing the thread.

                                        • 17. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                                          fransimo

                                          I agree. I never had problems with D70, D300, D7000, P6000 but D800 sharpering is realy BAD.

                                          I keep using LR as a catalog manager but I process all my NEFs with DXO Optics Pro. Sad, but it's the only way to get the best of my D800.

                                          I know it's not an Adobe problem...

                                          • 18. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                                            D Fosse Community Member

                                            I realize this is an old thread, so I'm probably just repeating what's been said above.

                                             

                                            The thing to realize with the D800 is that each pixel is really small (duh...). But that has some implications. One is that per-pixel-noise-level is higher than on the D700, in the same way that the D300 has more noise than the D700. Another is that if you want a similar sharpening effect in the full frame, you need to use a higher radius.

                                             

                                            Basically all of this rests on a faulty premise, namely that this high resolution is a free lunch. It's not. Using the D800 demands great care and good technique (and stellar lenses) if you want to utilize the high resolution. Most of the time you don't, and the effective, usable resolution is often not much more than you'd get with the D700.

                                             

                                            Two examples of what happens as you move down to pixel level with the D800: For one thing, there's no such thing as depth-of-field. You have a plane of critical focus, and everything front or back is simply...out of focus. Another thing is motion blur: the old rule-of-thumb for handheld shooting (1/focal length shutter speed) simply doesn't apply here. I've seen motion blur at 1/250 sec, using an 85mm lens. I've even seen a hint of motion blur using studio flash units (which admittedly can have longer discharge duration than most portable flashes).

                                            • 19. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                                              MRPin1963 Community Member

                                              Now that you mention it, I own a Nikon D800 (full-frame, 36MP) and the raw files it produces do not look as great in ACR as the ones my Fuji XE-2 produces, which only has an APS 16MP sensor, yet it produces outstanding shots almost every time.

                                               

                                              However, when I open the Nikon raw files using Nikon's Capture NX-D, they suddenly look awesome.  I'm guessing this means some kind of codec incompatibility, or something along those lines and have been asking Nikon about it , but I have not received an answer yet.

                                               

                                              I'll keep you posted if I learn anything (and please, if you find anything, let me know).

                                               

                                              ML

                                              • 20. Re: Anyone having trouble with Nikon D800 RAW files in LR4?
                                                Geoff the kiwi MVP

                                                I hope you can understand that people were not commenting on the image quality and that this thread is two years old.

                                                If you are having a quality issue with your D800 files in Lightroom there are many possibilities. Please start a new thread and we will help you out. But please include your system specs, Lightroom version and details of exactly what you are doing. Screen shots help too.