5 Replies Latest reply on Apr 11, 2012 10:12 AM by Jim_Simon

    MPEG DVD Pal Widescreen at 1.458 PAR, what were Adobe Thinking?

    Mitchell Remes

      Okay apart from the fact that Adobe wanted to stiff me for another £999 to upgrade from the CS3 Production Premium suite to CS5.5, my first HDV project on the new system messed up; and I thought I was moving forward (apart from my bank balance) phew got that off my chest.  Whichever way you look at this and no matter how many technicians tell us otherwise, DVD players, You Tube, Vimeo, well the world really have been happy using a PAR of 1.422222 for PAL Widescreen and now Adobe are using 1.458 the "correct" PAR for the BBC apparently having read previous threads (well yippee da).  This doesn't help me uploading my videos for a client to You Tube, Vimeo or a DVD and having black bars either side, they couldn't care less whether it is the correct standard for the BBC or not they just want their footage to look like everyone else's.  What are you playing at Adobe, just give us another option in Media Encoder to export the same way we have been happy doing for years and stop rolling over for the BBC.  Incidentally I upload MPEG2 DVD to You Tube and have been getting good results so that is why I am using MPEG2 for You Tube and Vimeo (but I'm sure someone will now give me a good reason not to).   I have been fighting Adobe's (and Window's)  corner for the last god knows how many years while the Mac crew have been tempting me with that alluring mistress FCP, more stable audio and better colour resolution.  Adobe sort this out we've had enough of this nonsense, what is it with big companies they become god like in their sheer arrogance, give us what we want and stop toying with your minions.  This really hacks me off.

        • 1. Re: MPEG DVD Pal Widescreen at 1.458 PAR, what were Adobe Thinking?
          Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          This is a way to get rid of the black bars.

           

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          • 2. Re: MPEG DVD Pal Widescreen at 1.458 PAR, what were Adobe Thinking?
            shooternz Level 6

            (but I'm sure someone will now give me a good reason not to). 

             

            I will.... seeing  as you asked for it.

             

            You could use H264 and square pixels  for anything to be displayed on a computer if you want a simple issue free solution to dealing with PAR displaying correctly.

             

            Tip: use the H264 preset for YouTube.

            • 3. Re: MPEG DVD Pal Widescreen at 1.458 PAR, what were Adobe Thinking?
              Jim Curtis Level 3

              I understand the frustration that your tone implies, but you've run off the tracks here.

               

              The computer world uses square pixels.  Vimeo, YouTube, etc.  When people upload anything but square to those services, the resulting picture is distorted, as it's displayed in square pixels.  And I see a lot of distorted videos on YouTube.

               

              http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/static.py?hl=en&guide=1728585&page=guide.cs

               

               

              I'm fairly certain that if you upload an MPEG2 to YouTube, they're going to recompress it to FLV or MP4 for you.  It's not one of their "supported formats."  So, I wouldn't be surprised if they muck it up.

               

              £999 to go from CS3 to CS5.5. sounds like a pretty good deal to me... that's a three version jump.  I also believe Adobe has become more responsive to customer input in the past few years, and not just "rolling over" for big clients.  But, those are opinions.

               

               

              Mitchell Remes wrote:

               

              Okay apart from the fact that Adobe wanted to stiff me for another £999 to upgrade from the CS3 Production Premium suite to CS5.5, my first HDV project on the new system messed up; and I thought I was moving forward (apart from my bank balance) phew got that off my chest.  Whichever way you look at this and no matter how many technicians tell us otherwise, DVD players, You Tube, Vimeo, well the world really have been happy using a PAR of 1.422222 for PAL Widescreen and now Adobe are using 1.458 the "correct" PAR for the BBC apparently having read previous threads (well yippee da).  This doesn't help me uploading my videos for a client to You Tube, Vimeo or a DVD and having black bars either side, they couldn't care less whether it is the correct standard for the BBC or not they just want their footage to look like everyone else's.  What are you playing at Adobe, just give us another option in Media Encoder to export the same way we have been happy doing for years and stop rolling over for the BBC.  Incidentally I upload MPEG2 DVD to You Tube and have been getting good results so that is why I am using MPEG2 for You Tube and Vimeo (but I'm sure someone will now give me a good reason not to).   I have been fighting Adobe's (and Window's)  corner for the last god knows how many years while the Mac crew have been tempting me with that alluring mistress FCP, more stable audio and better colour resolution.  Adobe sort this out we've had enough of this nonsense, what is it with big companies they become god like in their sheer arrogance, give us what we want and stop toying with your minions.  This really hacks me off.

              • 4. Re: MPEG DVD Pal Widescreen at 1.458 PAR, what were Adobe Thinking?
                Harm Millaard Level 7

                Whichever way you look at this and no matter how many technicians tell us otherwise, DVD players, You Tube, Vimeo, well the world really have been happy using a PAR of 1.422222 for PAL Widescreen and now Adobe are using 1.458 the "correct" PAR for the BBC apparently having read previous threads (well yippee da).

                 

                Whichever way you look at this and no matter how many teachers tell you otherwise, if you were happy that 2 x 2 = 3 and all your friends are happy with that, it does not make it right. Eventually you may have to come around in your thinking (like Adobe did) and accept that 2 x 2  = 4.

                 

                The question is more, what made you think 2 x 2 = 3? Had a bad teacher in primary school, did not pay attention, something else?

                 

                In calculus, it is very easy to prove that 0 = 1. Now that would of course make every computer unusable and ready to be thrown away, because true = false makes no sense in a logical world. This is of course caused by a wrong hypothesis, like your hypothesis that CS3 had the correct PAR, somewhat alike to 2 x 2 = 3. At some time in life you have to realize that your hypothesis was wrong. We have fought wars over the reluctance of people to accept new insights, because conservative people refused to believe that the world was not flat, that the world was not the center of the universe, that 2 x 2 =3 was not true, that ...

                 

                You can say a lot of things about Adobe, but they finally saw the light when they corrected their earlier mistake with their PAR. Now live with that or continue using CS3 if you are very conservative.

                • 5. Re: MPEG DVD Pal Widescreen at 1.458 PAR, what were Adobe Thinking?
                  Jim_Simon Level 8

                  Eventually you may have to come around in your thinking (like Adobe did) and accept that 2 x 2  = 4.

                   

                  The only problem with that analogy is that the BBC et al. have been working on the basis that 2 x 2 actually does equal 3.

                   

                  Adobe didn't fix things to make them right.  All they did was change things to make it wrong in the same way that everyone else was wrong.

                   

                  The current 'wrong' PAR is based on using the Clean Aperture, which was fine for analog.  But in the world of digital video, we tend to use the entire Production Aperture, which makes the current PAR incorrect.