9 Replies Latest reply: Apr 15, 2012 6:07 PM by photodrawken RSS

    Upgrade PE6 to PE10 - can't find my custom location catalog

    BillCz Community Member

      I would like to upgrade my PE6 installation to PE10.  I have a Windows 7 machine.  I downloaded the trial version of PE10 to check it out.  However, this trial PE10 can't find my custom location catalog with all my pics!  When I click on Find --> Catalog, and choose Custom Location, then Browse to where my catalog is, there are no choices displayed for me to choose.  I tried the Convert button - no help.

       

      I thought about moving my catalog into the default Windows 7 location to see if that made a difference, but it appears that if I do Move Catalog the darn thing moves not only my catalog but also my 50 GB of image files.  I'd rather not do that - I don't want the image files moved.

       

      Does anyone know why I can't connect to my custom location catalog?


      Thanks in advance,

      Bill

        • 1. Re: Upgrade PE6 to PE10 - can't find my custom location catalog
          photodrawken Community Member

          Hi Bill,

           

          What is the fully qualified path to your catalog?

           

          Ken

          • 2. Re: Upgrade PE6 to PE10 - can't find my custom location catalog
            BillCz Community Member

            E:\images\catalog.psedb

             

            It is on an external hard drive.

            • 3. Re: Upgrade PE6 to PE10 - can't find my custom location catalog
              photodrawken Community Member

              OK, when you use the "Convert" button, you'll navigate to the

              E:\images

              directory.  It's confusing, but that browsing dialog will not display any files, etc. to choose.  You just have to go in to the directory, then click "Open" to get back to the convert dialog window.  That window will be showing the "catalog.psedb" file found in the directory to select for conversion.

               

              As a side note, you're going to suffer performance issues by having the catalog on an external drive.  It's better to have the catalog on an internal drive (you can certainly keep the actual photos on the external drive).

               

              Ken

              • 4. Re: Upgrade PE6 to PE10 - can't find my custom location catalog
                BillCz Community Member

                photodrawken,

                 

                I tried your suggestion.  After clicking on Convert, I clicked on Find More Catalogs, and got a Windows file selector type window.  I went to E:\images, and clicked on Select Folder.  But still no catalogs to choose from.

                 

                As a matter of fact, before doing this, I backed up the catalog and related files (just using Windows copy).  I put the backup into the the Windows default directory for catalogs.  So now in that default directory, I have a "My Catalog" folder, and a folder with the backed up stuff called "Catalog - Backup".  However, in the PE10 Catalog Manager, only the My Catalog shows up!  But in PE6, both catalogs show up in the Catalog Manager, as well as the E:\images one!

                 

                Regarding your suggestion, I would be fine with moving the catalog onto my C: drive.  But if I do a Move Catalog inside PE, it brings the image files also.  I don't want that.  I could move the catalog files using Windows Explorer, but I don't trust PE to play nicely with that.  How should I move the catalog?

                 

                Thanks again,

                Bill

                • 5. Re: Upgrade PE6 to PE10 - can't find my custom location catalog
                  photodrawken Community Member

                  Hi Bill,

                   

                  I don't know what else to suggest for converting the catalog.  Actually, I do have a suggestion -- when I tested this, I was copying my entire catalog directory, so my Test01 catalog was in a "Test01" directory.  You can try changing your directory structure so that the name of the directory containing the catalog files matches the name of the catalog itself.  I freely admit that I don't understand how the Organizer tracks catalog names, but it's worth a shot....

                   

                  According to the Help, using Catalog Manager to move the catalog only moves the catalog files; and when I used that feature several months ago, only the catalog files were moved.

                   

                  Before you do any work, I have a funny feeling about your catalog and image files.  Please tell me that your "E:\Images" directory only contains the appropriate catalog files and not the image files, too.

                   

                  Ken

                  • 6. Re: Upgrade PE6 to PE10 - can't find my custom location catalog
                    BillCz Community Member

                    Good morning, Ken.

                     

                    I'm not sure what you mean by the name of the catalog.  The psedb file is "catalog.psedb".  So is "catalog" the name of the catalog?

                     

                    Are you sure the conversion operation is necessary?  Seems to me I read somewhere that conversion was needed for pre-PE6 only.

                     

                    Regarding what gets moved...  If you recall, before trying to upgrade from PE6 to PE10, I had transferred my PE6 stuff from an old computer to a new one.  I did backup and restore as you suggested.  On the old computer, the catalog file was in the default location on my C drive, and the image files were on an external (E) drive.  When I did restore however, it put everything together.  I told it to restore to E:\images, so the catalog file is in there, and the thumbnails, and a few other files.  But it also put all the image files in a subdirectory in the E:\images directory.  So it is all together, but not by my choosing.  I don't recall any choices to restore the images somewhere else, or I'm pretty sure I would have done so.  After that, at one point I tried to do a Move Catalog in PE10 Catalog Manager, but it went belly up part way thru.  I later saw that it had transferred the psedb file, and had started moving the entire image library.

                     

                    If I get what you are leaning towards, maybe I could go into PE6 and move all 50GB of image files somewhere else so when I do a Move Catalog, only the catalog gets moved.  Seems awfully laborious.  And my bet is it won't solve my problem of getting PE10 to see the catalog.

                     

                    I wish I could get a clearer understanding of how all this file and catalog management works.  Frustratingly, however, the official documentation that I've seen is all high level and not very helpful.  And you have to pay for technical support.

                     

                    Bill

                    • 7. Re: Upgrade PE6 to PE10 - can't find my custom location catalog
                      photodrawken Community Member

                      Hi Bill,

                      BillCz wrote:

                       

                      I'm not sure what you mean by the name of the catalog.  The psedb file is "catalog.psedb".  So is "catalog" the name of the catalog?

                      The catalog "name" is how Organizer refers to the catalog in its display -- "My Catalog", for example.

                       

                      BillCz wrote:

                       

                      Are you sure the conversion operation is necessary?  Seems to me I read somewhere that conversion was needed for pre-PE6 only.

                      Any time you use a later version of PSE to open a catalog created by an older version of PSE, the database needs to be updated to include new tables, columns, etc.

                       

                      BillCz wrote:

                       

                      Regarding what gets moved...

                      Yes, you're absolutely right about what will be moved in your case.  I suspect that when the Organizer's "Move Catalog" function is used, it does a straight file system cut & copy of the entire catalog directory (including all subdirectories).  So, in my case, since my catalog directory only includes the catalog files, none of my images were moved.

                       

                      BillCz wrote:

                       

                      And my bet is it won't solve my problem of getting PE10 to see the catalog.

                      I agree.  I think the main thing we should concentrate on is getting PSE10 to see (and update) your catalog.  As long as PSE6 is working just fine, we ought to leave well enough alone with the file locations, and leave the catalog location performance considerations for later.

                       

                      BillCz wrote:

                       

                      I wish I could get a clearer understanding of how all this file and catalog management works.  Frustratingly, however, the official documentation that I've seen is all high level and not very helpful.  And you have to pay for technical support.

                      I couldn't agree more.  It's all well and good for PSE to simplify matters for users who accept all the defaults and are not doing anything remotely complicated, but if doing so prevents adjusting the app's behaviour to accommodate unique user scenarios, then that's a Bad Thing.

                       

                      Back to the problem of getting PSE10 to recognize and update your catalog, here's where I'm coming from:  when I tested converting an old catalog, the setup on the file system was plain vanilla -- the catalog name is "My Catalog" and the directory is

                      ...\My Catalog

                       

                      and the contents are:

                       

                      syncdb (folder)

                      backupCt.dat

                      catalog.pse9db

                      collstatus.dat

                      face.thumb.9.cache

                      tagstatus.dat

                      thumb.5.cache

                      watch.2.cache

                       

                      So, all I can think of is to get your catalog directoy into a file system structure that matches (what I assume) is PSE's expectation.  IOW, if the name of your catalog in PSE6 is "My Catalog", use Windows Explorer to create a

                      directory named:

                      C:\Data\My Catalog

                      and copy only the catalog files (and not the image files) into that directory.  Use PSE6 to confirm it can use that new catalog location, and then see if PSE10 will recognize that new catalog location for conversion and use.

                       

                      Yep, that goes against what I said earlier about catalog locations, but if this works, it'll kill two birds with one stone....

                       

                      Ken

                      • 8. Re: Upgrade PE6 to PE10 - can't find my custom location catalog
                        BillCz Community Member

                        Well, I'm up and running on PE10!   I was starting to suspect that being on the trial version was the problem.  So I purchased the upgrade to PE10.  However, that didn't fix the problem.  Eventually I stumbled on the PE 10 release notes, and that had a link to catalog issues.  And there it said I might have to check "Show Previously Converted Catalogs" when converting.  Its not logical since I hadn't done any conversions on any of the catalogs I was trying to find (by that point I had 5-6 copies strewn around my computer).  However, that seemed to be the trick.  With that, I could find custom catalogs to convert, and then once converted, they show up in the Catalog Manager.  (Its also possible that the trial version may have been a factor.  I don't remember if I had tried "Show Previously Converted Catalogs" in the last couple weeks.)

                         

                        So thanks once more for your help, photodrawken.

                        Bill

                        • 9. Re: Upgrade PE6 to PE10 - can't find my custom location catalog
                          photodrawken Community Member

                          Glad you're up and running!

                           

                          Good catch finding the previously converted option.  It doesn't make sense, but if it works....

                           

                          Ken