11 Replies Latest reply: Apr 13, 2012 10:20 AM by JETalmage RSS

    Draw inside disabled, and clipping mask workaround loses information

    eobet Community Member

      I want to use my compound paths, with styles, fills and strokes applied to "draw inside", but that command is greyed out when I select them.

       

      However, if I "cheat" and instead use the compound paths as clipping masks first, I accomplish something which looks exactly the same way in the layer palette as when I do manage to "draw inside" an object.

       

      The trouble is that all my styles, fills and strokes get killed using that workaround, and I have to reapply them.

       

      Am I missing a step somewhere, or doing this in the wrong order?

       

      Any advice will be appreciated.

       

      Also, any word on why "draw inside" is disabled for compound paths?

       

       

      PS. Another problem using my poor workaround is that when the compound path becomes invisible, I can't find a way to drag appearances to it or apply swatches, even when I select it in the layer palette. I have to redo all styles, gradients, etc. manually, which is not efficient, nor desirable, at all.

        • 1. Re: Draw inside disabled, and clipping mask workaround loses information
          Monika Gause CommunityMVP

          Could you post a screenshot of what you have. I just tried to draw inside a compound path with effects, fills, strokes and a width profile. It was no problem to do it. Only the drop shadow behaved a little strangely.

           

          What you could do (if nothing else works) is create a graphic style and re-apply it afterwards. You'll have to select the clipping path with the direct-selection tool.

          • 2. Re: Draw inside disabled, and clipping mask workaround loses information
            Grant H Community Member

            the draw inside only works on a single object. If you have created a "compound path" with objects not touching each other (for one eg) using pathfinder unite, then you have actually created a group with objects that have united and others that... well... didnt...

             

            to avoid that, you must select the shapes and option click unite, then click expand to create a true compound path. Then Draw inside will be enabled.

             

            G

            • 3. Re: Draw inside disabled, and clipping mask workaround loses information
              Doug Katz Community Member

              Like Monika, I'm having no trouble drawing inside a compound path. Actually I don't know why one would have trouble with this. A compound path may be used as a clipping mask. Draw Inside is merely an alternative way to create a clipping mask. The result in both cases is identical.

               

              But Monika, you mention your stroke width profile is preserved when you draw inside. I can't get stroke width profiles to work on a clipping mask… that's any clipping mask… one made with a simple path, compound path, or compound shape, one made with Object>Clipping Path>Make or Draw Inside. In all of these cases, the stroke panel displays the profile I've assigned but the stroke of the clipping mask on the artboard displays as a uniform weight equaling the maximum width of the profile.

               

              What am I doing wrong?

              • 4. Re: Draw inside disabled, and clipping mask workaround loses information
                Monika Gause CommunityMVP

                Doug, you're right, it disappears. Sorry, I didn't mention that.

                • 5. Re: Draw inside disabled, and clipping mask workaround loses information
                  Grant H Community Member

                  u doing nothing wrong... you cant even align the stroke on a clipping path to the inside or outside.

                  G

                  • 7. Re: Draw inside disabled, and clipping mask workaround loses information
                    eobet Community Member

                    So, if I understand this correctly, two people replying here can draw inside compound paths, and two people can't. Is this a design premium feature, or why does there seem to be a difference?

                     

                    Also, another user seem to indicate that even if I do manage to draw inside my compound path, I will never be able to align my stroke on that object, which is a showstopper for me.

                     

                    Does this mean that the feature is broken, and that there currently is no answer to my question?

                     

                    EDIT: I just tested in a new document to combine two freehand shapes into clipping masks, and then attempting to align a stroke to its outside, and it disappeared. Bug confirmed. Crap.

                    • 8. Re: Draw inside disabled, and clipping mask workaround loses information
                      Monika Gause CommunityMVP

                      eobet wrote:

                       

                      So, if I understand this correctly, two people replying here can draw inside compound paths, and two people can't. Is this a design premium feature, or why does there seem to be a difference?

                       

                      Has nothing to do with Design Premium.

                       

                      Maybe you'd like to show us your art. There might be other ways to achieve what you need to do.

                      • 9. Re: Draw inside disabled, and clipping mask workaround loses information
                        eobet Community Member

                        Monika Gause wrote:

                         

                        eobet wrote:

                         

                        So, if I understand this correctly, two people replying here can draw inside compound paths, and two people can't. Is this a design premium feature, or why does there seem to be a difference?

                         

                        Has nothing to do with Design Premium.

                         

                        Maybe you'd like to show us your art. There might be other ways to achieve what you need to do.

                         

                        Well my problem is that I can't do either of these:

                         

                        99problems.jpg

                         

                        Now, the stroke aligned to the outside, I apparently can never get around unless I choose to outline the path on that stroke, which means I loose flexibility (or add steps to my workflow).

                         

                        And drawing on the inside... I guess I could make a clipping mask manually, but then I loose that really nice gradient I spent a lot of time to position just right... (either way, more steps in my workflow).

                         

                        Actually, the whole point of my question is completely lost if I have to outline any path, because the reason I want to work with compound shapes and clipping masks at all, is that I want to easily be able to move one of the sub-shapes which creates the final outline, without having to redo neither the gradient fill or stroke.

                         

                        And yeah, thinking again, my workflow is completely wrecked either way, since compound paths don't allow aligned strokes.

                        • 10. Re: Draw inside disabled, and clipping mask workaround loses information
                          Monika Gause CommunityMVP

                          eobet wrote:

                           

                           

                          Well my problem is that I can't do either of these:

                           

                           

                          understood so far. You already mentioned that.

                           

                          What I wanted to know is what you wanted to draw inside of what. Very often people ignore other options to build things. Maybe this applies to your image as well. But that depends on what exactly you want to have inside. I assume, that cloud isn't the actual drawing?

                          • 11. Re: Draw inside disabled, and clipping mask workaround loses information
                            JETalmage Community Member

                            Look at your Appearance palette. That's a Compound Shape, not a Compound Path. (Not the same thing.)

                             

                            Also: After you have used Draw Inside, then switched back to Draw Normal Mode, then simply select the object you had Drawn Inside, the Draw Inside Mode selection is no longer available. Again, look at your Appearance palette. What's selected is a Group, not a Path or a Compound Path.

                             

                            To resume Draw Inside on an object you have already Drawn Inside, directSelect (white pointer) the Clipping Path (or one of its subpaths if it is a Compound Path). Then you will have a Path selected and Draw Inside will be available.

                             

                            Also: If you have used Draw Inside on one object in your document, you have to leave Draw Inside mode in order to re-enter it using another object.

                             

                            ...compound paths don't allow aligned strokes.

                            You can align strokes inside/outside on Compound Paths; not on Clipping Paths.

                             

                             

                            JET