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      • 30. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
        Noel Carboni Community Member

        Thanks guys.

         

        Chris Cox wrote:

         

        Impressive.

         

        I'd be curious to see how it affects launch time on CS6.

         

        Not quite as much as I thought it would, though it's faster in just the right ways...  It comes up to the main window painted state maybe a second faster out of about about 5 or so, which seemed always to take a second or two longer than Photoshop CS5 (still true).

         

        I just did some timings with my stopwatch, starting when opening an icon on the desktop and ending with the Photoshop main window painted.

         

        Photoshop CS5 x64: 3+ seconds (averaging around 3.2).

        Photoshop CS6 x64: 4+ seconds (averaging around 4.5).

         

        More importantly, however, there was always a bit of wait time - a few seconds - after the Photoshop CS6 UI was displayed before the menus were available that's been reduced below the threshold of pain for me.  Now I see that however long it takes me to get my mouse lined up with the File menu is just about the time it takes to be ready for me to click it.  When it responds to my click the first time the cost of this array becomes a little more worth it. 

         

        pf22 wrote:

         


        I'd certainly be interested to see how long it takes you to burn through all that lovely expensive NAND!

         

        Given the Sandforce drive controller's "wear leveling" facilities, and the gargantuan amount of space these drives have to go through, I did some back of the napkin calculations that showed it should be a non-issue (10+ years).  Probably by the time any of the drives need replacing I'll be looking at the newest technology at the time, which will no doubt far outpace these drives for both speed an size and be cheaper.  The drives I chose have a 2 million hour MTBF as well, so the chance of failure being multiplied by 4 drives in the array is still miniscule.

         

        The drives do report, via SMART, a projected lifespan.  I don't know how likely it is to be accurate, but so far in a week of hard benchmarking and testing I haven't gotten any of them to budge off 100%.

         

        -Noel

        • 31. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
          Trevor.Dennis CommunityMVP

          From what I have read, SSDs have changed a fair bit in the last year or so, and as per Noel's quick calculations, the number of write operations is so large now that it is no longer a worry.  I think even harm on the Premiere Pro Hardware forum is warming to SSDs now.  Bill would know.

           

          As for minimising the number of write operations, that tends to be additional affect of moving dynamic folders from the C: drive to save limited disk space.  That's not going to be an issue for Noel with so many drives though.  For me it is still problematic because my Outlook data is currently on a USB3 external drive, and none of my my external drives wake after a four hour deep sleep.  (I have to restart).  I'll get round to moving it to my biggest raid0 array one day soon. 

           

          At the moment I am back on my laptop _again_ after the supposedly replaced power supply failed agin last night!  I'd asked them to upgrade from the Adata HM-750W, but they didn't do so, and I am sure they somehow fudged a repair of the old one.  My system box weighs in at close to 100 lbs, and I am highly unimpressed at having to cart it into town for a second time in two weeks!

          • 32. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
            Lundberg02 Community Member

            When SSD is 25 cents a gigabyte, call me. I'll be happy with eSATA until then.

            • 33. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
              Noel Carboni Community Member

              Lundberg02 wrote:

               

              When SSD is 25 cents a gigabyte, call me. I'll be happy with eSATA until then.

               

              Stick in the mud.  Meanwhile we early adopters will be enjoying system performance you can only dream about...  You know you want it... 

               

              Good thing at least some of us step up to help finance new technology development!

               

              -Noel

              • 34. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
                Lundberg02 Community Member

                Oh, we could appreciate your trudge across the universe at warp speed if only the web was faster than 25 mbps actual.

                • 35. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
                  Noel Carboni Community Member

                  Lundberg02 wrote:

                   

                  if only the web was faster than 25 mbps actual.

                   

                  Have you been talking to Al Gore again? 

                   

                  -Noel

                  • 36. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
                    Lundberg02 Community Member

                    I'm paying for 50 but have never seen it.

                    • 37. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
                      station_one Community Member

                      Lundberg02 wrote:

                       

                      I'm paying for 50 but have never seen it.

                       

                      How much is it costing you?  I'm paying $60 a month for 3. 

                      • 38. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
                        Lundberg02 Community Member

                        As part of my bundled tv, phone and internet, the 50 mbps service is 33 a month with CableOne. When you use their speed test, it shows that within their local net it is 25 to 48, hopping onto the local internet server thru speedtest.net is 25 to 48, but if you go to speedtest.net and choose Seattle for instance, it will be 15 to 22 on a good day, San Francisco and Los Angeles a little slower, every place else 9 to 12. So it's a joke, not really much faster than my 10 mbps service was, but you actually can't go back because it's not part of the bundle.

                        DSL here is a farce, the advertised speed for my house is 1 mbps. The wireless internet is slow and unreliable. There is no other cable internet here. I believe the local server actually gets on the Sprint backbone 300 miles away in Boise. Waa waa waa.

                        • 39. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
                          station_one Community Member

                          $33 a month? !!!    My phone company is a den of thieves then! 

                          • 40. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
                            Trevor.Dennis CommunityMVP

                            Lundberg02 wrote:

                             

                            I'm paying for 50 but have never seen it.

                            Sheesh!  I know people here still on dial-up, and because of the intereferance from electric fences out in the country, they are lucky to get 30bps.  They laid UFB cable along my road a month or so back, but we are several months away from it being switched on, and more before I can expect fibre into my house.

                             

                            This was taken 20th Feb this year.  Note it took two tractors to drag the cable laying machine through the rocky soil.

                            http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7190/6907287665_c3f16a52a5_z.jpg

                            • 41. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
                              Lundberg02 Community Member

                              This house had undergound fiber from day one, but CableOne wasn't offering better speed than wireless for a reasonable price six years ago, so I struggled with the wireless company's lousy reliablity for a couple years and then took the cheapest cable service at 5 mbps. Apparently competitive forces especially in phone service made CableOne upgrade everything and allowed them to offer HDTV, reliable phone, and "highspeed" internet bundled for 33 bucks apiece. Of course my actual bill is another 47 bucks for tv boxes, fancy modem, some kind of channel package, and taxes. I guess I could buy all the boxes and the modem, but then they wouldn't give me free service calls two or three times a year when something screws up.. Lately the cable remotes are not behaving, so I guess I'll have to call them about it.  Usually takes five or six calls late at night to get a tech who actually knows what he's talking about and not reading a script, but they are Americans in Colorado or Arizona at least.

                              • 42. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
                                Trevor.Dennis CommunityMVP

                                I'm bumping Noels OTT raid 0 thread because I have just found out how hard drives are progressing nowadays.  I need to set up another raid 0 for my video project drive, and while I could probably just replace the dead 300Gb VelociRaptor I am more inclined to get a pair of drives to make sure they will play nicely together.  While looking into that, I see that the latest generation VelociRaptor VR333M has taken things a step further, and can manage 200Mbs.  That's pretty impressive, and I would love to use them if I could get hold of a couple.  (They are not listed in NZ at the moment)

                                 

                                VR333M.jpg

                                 

                                If anyone is up on drives, and has suggestions for alternatives, then I am looking for the info please.

                                 

                                The above table was nabbed from:

                                http://www.anandtech.com/show/5729/western-digital-velociraptor-1tb-wd1000dhtz-review

                                • 43. Re: Massive Disk Speed Improvement Plan
                                  Noel Carboni Community Member

                                  If you're going to spend money on storage, why not spend a bit more and do what I did?  It'll be more future-proof.

                                   

                                  Assuming your RAID controller is up to the task, your prospective 400 MB/s speed with a pair of VR333Ms could be over 1 GB/s with even just a pair of Vertex 3 SSDs.  You'll see near zero latency, and they might even be more reliable than the electromechanical drives, especially if you power-down your system when not using it (heating/cooling cycles).

                                   

                                  I've been running my array now for 3 weeks (computer is on 24/7) and it's been rock solid.  Not so much as one error logged in the event logs.  And it's fassssst!

                                   

                                  -Noel

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