21 Replies Latest reply: Sep 30, 2012 6:07 PM by piprod RSS

    Will OnLocation still be available?

    Bruce BFD Community Member

      From everything I've seen, it looks like OnLocation is being left out of PP CS6 in favor of a new program, Prelude. The thing I like most about OnLocation is having the various scopes (vectorscope, histogram, monitor, etc) that I can use to dial in my camera settings before shooting. It doesn't look like Prelude is going to include any of those, so will OnLocation be available separately after CS6 is released? I know it wasn't available as a separate program with PP CS5.5, so this has me worried.

        • 1. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
          nocturnal YL Community Member

          Simple answer, no. OnLocation will not be available because it has to be bought with Premiere Pro,and you'll only be able to buy Premiere Pro CS6 if you buy directly from Adobe once it launches next Monday.

           

          But since buying CS5.5 now will get you CS6 for free when it comes out, you can choose to do so (right now) and end up having both CS5.5 and CS6 (you can continue to use CS5.5 applications after upgrading to CS6).

          • 2. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
            J. Simon Community Member

            OnLocation may not be included with the new suite, but most folks use that program on a Laptop so they can take it with them on location (hence the name), and have the rest of the suite installed on the desktop back at the office.

             

            There's no reason you can't just leave your current version installed on that Laptop and continue using it.

            • 3. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
              Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

              Jim's advice is good advice. If you have OnLocation and like it, keep using it.

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                Mark Mapes Adobe Employee

                The good news for OL users: comment markers from OL can be seen in PPRO CS6!!!!!

                • 5. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                  Bruce BFD Community Member

                  The problem is that I have CS5.5 at my day job, but I'm using CS3 at home. I want to upgrade to CS5.5 at home, but there's that pesky money issue....

                  • 6. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                    Bruce BFD Community Member

                    Mark, will CS6 have the scopes, etc, that OL has? That's my concern.

                    • 7. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                      J. Simon Community Member

                      Not during capture.  (That I'm aware of.)

                      • 8. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                        Bruce BFD Community Member

                        I still capture to tape, so I'm just mainly concerned with getting the camera dialed in properly before shooting.

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                          Mark Mapes Adobe Employee

                          I'm not sure what you mean by "CS6" in this context--that's basically a version number, not a product. Anyway, I do not know of any product in Production Premium CS6 that has scopes for monitoring a live camera signal.

                          • 10. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                            elootoo Community Member

                            I believe the decision by Adobe to stop supporting OnLocation is misguided.  It appears that they considered the main use of OnLocation is to capture video to a hard drive, and with camcorders capturing to flash memory this is no longer important.

                             

                            However, OnLocation also has another possibly more important use, and that is to monitor the exposure of video during video capture. 

                             

                            In my case, I use OnLocation to capture live ballet performances with theatrical lighting so the ballets can be restaged years later.  These performances can be as long as an hour, and I have to capture them without interruption.  The lighting varies during the performance from dim overall lighting to dim with side lit dancers, to dim with follow spots, to very bright, to very bright with follow spots, to lighting varying in different parts of the stage, and every imaginable variation.  To try to maximize the quality of the video, I have to adjust the aperture of my camcorder on the fly to avoid over exposure of bright regions and under exposure during dim lighting.  I do this by watching the waveform graph in OnLocation and adjusting the aperture while also watching the dancers and panning and zooming.  Without OnLocation, I would be flying blind regarding exposure.

                             

                            What I had been hoping for was an upgrade of OnLocation to be able to handle HDMI video so camcorders without a 1394 output could benefit by the monitoring features.

                             

                            So I will have to make do with the last supported version of OnLocation.

                            • 11. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                              glaustin Community Member

                              I agree. OL is a very handy programme for the huge number of videographers still using tape as it allows me to balance and get a clearer idea of the frame. If anything it should have been developed to work with DSLRs and other tapeless cameras. I appreciate I can continue using my CS5 or 5.5 version but that option won't be attractive for too long with no support or development.

                               

                              Could the Adobe guys reconsider and bring back a developed version for CS6.5 please.

                              • 12. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                                Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                > I believe the decision by Adobe to stop supporting OnLocation is misguided.

                                We didn't say that we weren't supporting it. We said that we weren't developing or selling it. You can still get support for it. Support tends to go back for multiple versions of our software.

                                 

                                If you like OnLocation, please do keep using it.

                                 

                                > Could the Adobe guys reconsider and bring back a developed version for CS6.5 please.

                                More likely is that the features that you like would be incorporated into something else in the suite.

                                 

                                You can submit feature requests here: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

                                • 13. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                                  glaustin Community Member

                                  Hi

                                  I have used OL because I can hook up my Z1 and use the laptop as a monitor and make some corrections using the scopes, etc, as well as using it as an HDD for the footage. Can these functions be transported to Prelude for instance?

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                                    ACT.onn Community Member

                                    You can submit feature requests here: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

                                     

                                    That link isnt working, at least not for me.

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                                      Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                      > That link isnt working, at least not for me.

                                      It's working for me in Firefox, Chrome, and Internet Explorer.

                                      • 16. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                                        glaustin Community Member

                                        Hi Todd

                                        The link works for me as well but not quite sure which product we should make a feature request for as neither OL or Prelude appear on the list.

                                        • 17. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                                          Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                          Prelude will be added to the list soon. If you choose Premiere Pro, the feedback will still get to the right place.

                                          • 18. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                                            ACT.onn Community Member

                                            Why is it that Adobe keeps switching up the applications to do a particular job? I mean there are some stable ones, Acrobat, Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects, InDesign, Illustrator etc. but there are those, OnLocation, Soundbooth, Audition that Adobe cannot seem to commit to. why is that? I had just gotten used to Audition and then Soundbooth replaced it, just got used to it and now here we are back to Audition again...

                                             

                                            Sure would be nice if you could just make up your minds.

                                             

                                            By the way the buttons in the tool bar don't seem to work. Maybe it is just me, but I cant get any of them to work. Oh, hold on, Spell check did...

                                            • 19. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                                              VideOccasionsHD Community Member

                                              I agree with you 100%. I used an earlier verion of On Location before Adobe bought them out. Serious Magic's DV Rack! ! What a great company with some super virtual green screen sets and a flwless keyer. I use a lot of Adobe's products but am pissed off at some of their recent decisions.

                                               

                                              I do a lot of live performances as you decsribed. I am using a Sony DSR 250 and 2 DSR 7U's for those events requiring multi-cam. Those cameras use DV-Cam tape and CF cards simultaneously. I shoot HD on everything. What I rely on is the zebra pattern to adjust aperture. I set it at 100IRE and just make sure that faces are never in that zone and just use personal judgement as to whether extreme white costumes can stand a little clipping. I don't even worry about bright lightssions.

                                              Regards,

                                              Charles Andrews

                                              VideOccasionsHD.com

                                              • 20. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                                                TheThirdWave Community Member

                                                Can you currently use OnLocation for DSLRs?

                                                 

                                                thanks

                                                • 21. Re: Will OnLocation still be available?
                                                  piprod Community Member

                                                  I also need on location. I have been using it for some time to record my MASTER camera as we are frequently recoring long live events. The master camera covers tape or SD changes on the other cameras. DSLR's are still limited to (relatively) short duration due to overheating, so I would like DSLR support too.