12 Replies Latest reply on Apr 23, 2012 1:48 AM by Laubender

    Transparent table borders

    Pebblesculpt Level 1

      Hi.

       

      I'm working in InDesign with a House Style that uses a particular table layout: tinted solid colour cells with paper coloured borders of 1mm. Some cells are also paper coloured which works well to break up the table making the layout less 'heavy' and 'blocky'.

       

      Setting the table borders to white (paper) works fine most of the time but came the occasion last month when I would have liked to put a background picture on the page behind the table. I had to abandon the picture in the end.

       

      So what I need is a way to make the cell borders transparent but retain the 1mm transparent gap between every cell, some of which are also transparent and most have a solid fill.

       

      Any ideas?

       

      Thanks.

        • 1. Re: Transparent table borders
          Manish-Sharma Employee Moderator

          Rather making the cell border color "paper" you can choose "NONE" , which is gonna work like transparent with the same weight 1mm.

          • 2. Re: Transparent table borders
            Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

            Manish_1988 wrote:

             

            Rather making the cell border color "paper" you can choose "NONE" , which is gonna work like transparent with the same weight 1mm.

            Does that work for you? When I select [None] for color the stroke always disappears and leaves the cell fill color showing.

             

            To accomplish the transparent grid lines I think you'll need to add alternating rows and columns of the appropriate width/height and fill those cells with [None].

            • 3. Re: Transparent table borders
              Manish-Sharma Employee Moderator

              yes, you are right Peter but in OP

               

               

                            "  So what I need is a way to make the cell borders transparent but retain the 1mm transparent gap between every cell, some of which are also transparent and most have a solid fill."

               

               

              some cells are  transparent  and most have a solid fill...hence all cells are not transparent....also he has asked for the make the cell borders transparent which have the 1mm weight.,

               

              changing the cell border color to NONE will make it transparent and will give the 1mm gap in the cells , also it will allow to see the picture behind the table (only the part which is not blocked by table) .

              • 4. Re: Transparent table borders
                Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                Manish_1988 wrote:

                ....also he has asked for the make the cell borders transparent which have the 1mm weight.,

                 

                changing the cell border color to NONE will make it transparent and will give the 1mm gap in the cells , also it will allow to see the picture behind the table (only the part which is not blocked by table) .

                This is the part that does not work in my testing. Changing the cell border color to none removes the gap when I try it.

                • 5. Re: Transparent table borders
                  Manish-Sharma Employee Moderator

                  Are you applying the dashed stoke on the cell border , to create the Gap in the stroke itself and then changing the color of cell border to NONE?

                   

                   

                  If yes , why to do so because in OP he has asked to " retain the 1mm transparent gap between every cell "

                   

                  May I know your workflow ,,?

                  • 6. Re: Transparent table borders
                    Manish-Sharma Employee Moderator

                    May be I misunderstood the OP ,but can you check which gap is the person talking about.....

                     

                    Is it "between the cells" or the "gap in the cell border stroke" ?

                    • 7. Re: Transparent table borders
                      Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                      Where do you see any mention of a dashed stroke style? My interpretation is there is a solid border around the cells leaving a "gap" or "cell spacing" of 1 mm. Currently the stoke is [Paper], some cells have a tinted fill, and some a paper fill, so it might look something like this:

                      Untitled-1.png

                      And the goal is to have all the parts that are currently [Paper] changed to allow the blue background (in my example) to show through. Not a problem for the cell fill -- changing that to [None] works, but ther is no way that I've found to have a solid transparent 1 mm gap between cells in place of that white gap without adding rows and columns and filling them with [None].

                       

                      If you know a way to make those solid white lines transparent, I know a lot of users would love to hear it.

                      • 8. Re: Transparent table borders
                        Pebblesculpt Level 1

                        The illustration is correct - that's how my tables look without changing anything. I did try using None as a border colour and experienced the same problems as described here: NONE overrides all the other settings to make the border vanish entirely.

                         

                        Using extra rows and columns of transparent cells at 1mm sizes is an interesting idea - I'll keep that in mind. It's quite fiddly to do but sounds like it would produce the required effect.

                         

                        So it looks like NONE is a fairly fundamental hard-wired part of the software for borders (maybe strokes in general). I noticed that in CS6 Ai will do gradient stroke colours - maybe there'll be a transparency option on the colour pallette too in the same way that there's a Tint option?

                         

                        Many thanks.

                        • 9. Re: Transparent table borders
                          Manish-Sharma Employee Moderator

                          You are right.as always....When I intially did I was successful but now I am not able to do it ...may be first time I missed something and jump to the conclusion ......sorry for the mess.

                           

                          LESSON LEARNED thanks a ton PETER....

                          • 10. Re: Transparent table borders
                            Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                            I was really hoping you had a new method. The adding rows/columns technique is a real pain.

                            • 11. Re: Transparent table borders
                              Manish-Sharma Employee Moderator

                              I have 2 but I think it would be least bit helpful here because table is aleady been created but lets see...

                               

                              Method one:-

                               

                               

                              Make the Rectangle and then use the script "Make Grid" , put the gutter space as 1mm , and rows and cloums equal to what is required in the table.

                               

                              Copy and paste the content from the table to the text boxes created from the script.

                               

                              Method two(will work if solid fill is done in few cells only):-

                               

                              Select the complete table , under "cell options" change the "cell fill" to "None"

                               

                              complete table shall be selected , under "cell options" , apply the stroke type "thin-thin" with "6 pt" with the "gap color" :- NONE and stroke color "Black"

                               

                              also change the "cell inset" to "0 mm"

                               

                              now de-select the table ,

                               

                              select any one cell on which you want to apply the solid fill and follow the below step:-

                                 a) Table-->Insert table , row 1 and column 1

                                 b) re-size embedded table according to the cell size

                                 c) Fill the color in the embedded table in the cell

                               

                              After this copy and paste this in all cell in which you want the solid fill.

                               

                              again in this text will be the problem when copying and pasting the embedded table.

                               

                              Hint:- steps taken from Indesignsecrets.com

                               

                               

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                              • 12. Re: Transparent table borders
                                Laubender Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                See also the following thread in the Swizz/German forum hilfdirselbst.ch. Especially look for the attached IDML files by Kurt Gold and the script by Martin Fischer:

                                 

                                http://www.hilfdirselbst.ch/foren/Transparente_Konturlinien_von_Tabellenzellen_P492751.htm l#492751

                                 

                                Uwe

                                 

                                P.S. Forget about my attached IDML file. This was a cheap trick with a flaw…