8 Replies Latest reply on May 7, 2012 3:52 PM by John T Smith Branched from an earlier discussion.

    requirements for CS6

    PJ 123 Level 1

      Hello,

       

      I am a designer for the Web, as well as some print; however, I am not well-versed in hardware or networking and am seeking assistance.  I have preordered a Creative Cloud Membership and am eagerly waiting for tomorrow to come!

       

      I have been using CS4 on an HP 22558hc system (Vista SP2; 64-bit; 8GB RAM; and, AMD Phenom 9550 Quad-Core Processor 2.20 GHz) with no problems, except speed ... which I am realizing by watching many of the CS6 videos for Photoshop; I wasn't alone waiting for my changes to appear (in CS4) and CS6 will render the changes almost as they happen.

       

      I primarily work with Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Dreamweaver, and I have just begun to use Premier, but I am looking forward to checking out all of the other apps which come with the Cloud membership.

       

      All that said, I just purchased a new system: HP h8-1237c desktop (Win7; 64-bit; 10GB RAM; and, Intel Core i5 2320, up to 3.0 GHz, four cores).  The specs are here: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c03152381&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&product=5 205738#N451

       

      If someone could help me determine if the h8-1237c will be sufficient for Creative Cloud, I'd appreciate it.

       

      I reviewed the specs from: http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/tech-specs.html

       

      Comparing Adobe CS6 specs with the HP h8-1237c:

       

      Adobe: OpenGL 2.0–capable system

           I cannot tell, by HP specs, if its OpenGL 2.0?

       

      Sound/Audio

      Adobe: Sound card compatible with ASIO protocol or Microsoft Windows Driver Model

           The h8-1237c has:

                 Built-in High Definition 8 channel audio

                IDT 92HD89E CODEC

                I cannot tell if this audio is ample?

       

      Adobe: Supported NVIDIA graphics cards for GPU acceleration

           The h8-1237c has:

                Video graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 520

                This NVIDIA is not listed on Adobe's page, so apps using it won't run as fast or run at all?

       

      There is a "Learn More" link on the tech-specs.html page to help find the best workstation; however, that page is for CS5.  I imagine we have to wait until CS6 is Live, before it will update.  Too, I don't have my new system out of the box yet, as I hesitate to do so until I am a bit more certain I will be keeping it.

       

      Thank you in adavance for all of your assistance.

        • 1. Re: requirements for CS6
          John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          >just begun to use Premier

           

          What kind of video? Do you know about CODECS and video editing?

           

          This message has a really good graphic about requirements

          CS5 Requirements http://forums.adobe.com/thread/810750

          About Requirements http://forums.adobe.com/thread/618058

          Disk Configurations http://forums.adobe.com/thread/878419

          • 2. Re: requirements for CS6
            PJ 123 Level 1

            Thanks for replying John.

             

            I have a minimal knowlege with Premier; in October I took a Lynda class and got stopped at a certain point, because I did not have Premier CS5; I was pleased though with how far I did get.  I know just the bare minimum with CODECS, enough to get me through the Lynda class.

             

            My current/old system worked well with Premier (all of the CS4 Master Collection does); it was the version I was using, which when I got to a certain point on Lynda, forced me to pause until I upgraded.

             

            Reading through the threads you posted, I see where they recommed the power as 850W. The new system has 300W, recommended is 850W ... now that is nearly 2/3 less than it should be.  The new one has less than my current, which is only 350W, but it has performed nicely for me, a person who doesn't know the difference.  Working slowly vs not working at all though are two different things ... for me; I like fast, but I'm very careful with what I spend dollar wise. 

             

            The new HP is an i5 vs the i7 recommended in the thread you posted.

             

            The new HP has 2T of hard drive; more than ample.

             

            The link addressed the NVIDIA question, however that is for CS5, NVIDIA GTX 470 ... I will be using CS6.

            [quote from http://forums.adobe.com/thread/618058 Todd_Kopriva]

             

            Take for example this page, which gives different requirements for different levels of performance:

            http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/production/performance/
            [/quote]

             

            Unfortunately the link posted in that thread, now points to the tech-specs.html page, so I couldn't see the production/performance requirements it may have spoken about.

             

            This link in: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/878419 now points to: http://forums.adobe.com/___sbsstatic___/maintenance.html which I now realize is when the entire Forum was down for maintenance, which might explain why my post isn't in the thread I originally posted it in, replying to Todd_Kopriva - system requirements for CS6: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4382413#4382413.  Nonetheless, I've been able to now read through that thread .../thread/878419 and it is way over my head.

             

            Again, thank you for replying; I hope I've given you and/or someone else more information to help me decide if this new system, HP h8-1237c, will be compatible with Creative Cloud CS6.

            • 3. Re: requirements for CS6
              Jim_Simon Level 8

              I have preordered a Creative Cloud Membership

               

              On a side note, how did you do that?  I tried twice through the web, but clicking the Purchase Now button kept leading me to an empty cart.  There seemed no way for me to add the subscription into the cart.

              • 4. Re: requirements for CS6
                PJ 123 Level 1

                I called Adobe sales: 1-800-585-0774; they are in Utah and their hours are Monday through Friday 5AM - 7PM PT.

                • 5. Re: requirements for CS6
                  John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  PJ 123

                  >new HP has 2T of hard drive; more than ample

                   

                  You will be able to slowly edit SD (Standard Definition) with only one hard drive, and VERY slowly if you try to edit HD (High Definition)

                   

                  With only a 300w power supply, I'm not sure if you can add a 2nd hard drive... so I think your entire editing experience is going to be one of learning patience while things happen... slowly

                   

                  The reason why I say that...

                   

                  My 3 hard drives to edit AVCHD are configured as...

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                  1 - 320Gig Boot for Win7 64bit Pro and ALL program installs (2)

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                  2 - 320Gig data for Win7 paging swap file and video project files

                  When I create a project on #2 drive, the various work files follow,

                  so my boot drive is not used for the media cache folders and files

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                  3 - 1Terabyte data for all video files... input & output files (1)

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                  (1) for faster input/output with 4 drives

                  - use drive 3 for all source files

                  - use drive 4 for all output files

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                  (2) only 60Gig used, for Win7 & CS5 MC & MS Office & other smaller programs

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                  Search Microsoft to find out how to redirect your Windows paging swap file

                  http://search.microsoft.com/search.aspx?mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US

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                  I do not use RAID... AVCHD is CPU intensive, not drive intensive like uncompressed, so I have no problems editing without RAID (but, this is for "simple" home videos)

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                  http://www.video2brain.com/en/videos-5353.htm

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                  http://forums.adobe.com/thread/784220?tstart=0

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                  Trying to use only ONE Hard Drive for Video Editing

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                  You are a music conductor, with a baton that you use to point to various parts of the orchestra... this is like Windows pointing to various parts of the hard drive to do Windows housekeeping or to load program segments for various functions

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                  Now, at the same time and with the same hand... while still using the baton to conduct the orchestra... pick up a bow and play a fiddle... this would be doing something with your video file at the same time as all the other work

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                  You as a person cannot do both at the same time with the same hand

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                  A computer is a LITTLE better, in that it can switch from one kind of task to another very quickly... but not quickly enough for EASY video editing

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                  You need AT LEAST two hard drives (separate drives, never a partition http://forums.adobe.com/thread/650708 for more) with Windows (or Mac OS) and software on your boot drive, and video files on a 2nd drive so the boot drive is not slowed down by trying to do everything

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                  Partition = Crash http://forums.adobe.com/thread/957286

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                  I find that the three drives I use work very well for me, for editing AVCHD video... some people use a 4th drive, so video INPUT files are on drive three and all OUTPUT files are on drive four... I only bought a mid-tower case instead of a full tower case (my bad... but had to fit in the space available on my office desk!) so I use the three drives that will fit

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                  Depending on your exact hardware (motherboard brand & model AND USB2 enclosure brand & model AND external hard drive brand & model) AND the type of video file, you may... or may NOT... be able to use an external USB2 hard drive for SD (Standard Definition) video editing

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                  Steve Grisetti in the Premiere Elements forum http://forums.adobe.com/thread/856208 and Jim Simon in the Premiere Pro forum http://forums.adobe.com/thread/856433 use USB externals for editing

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                  A USB3 hard drive connected to a motherboard with USB3 is supposed to be fast enough for video editing (I don't have such, so don't know) but eSata DOES have a fast enough data transfer for video editing... I have not used the eSata Dock below... for reference only, YMMV and all the usual disclaimers

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                  http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-BlacX-eSATA-Docking-Station/dp/B001A4HAFS/ref=cm_cmu_pg_ t

                  • 6. Re: requirements for CS6
                    PJ 123 Level 1

                    John,

                     

                    Thank you very much for taking the time to reply.

                     

                    I appreciate all of the resource links and analogies you shared. I will be visiting the resource links to learn more about videos, for sure. As I am just beginning with Premier, I did not realize the benefits of having my files in different locations.

                     

                    The specs I've shown are for the new computer, only.  I do have two WD My Book USB 3.0 2T external hard drives and two Seagate 320GB USB 2.0 FreeAgent external hard drives.  I currently have all of my OS and software on the computer's hard drive and use the external drives for my files.

                     

                    I understand what you are saying with the 300Watt power, slowing things down and I am concerned because I'm dropping from what I currently have, which is 350Watt.  I've looked at other systems since I first posted my question and I am not finding anything that gives me anywhere near the recommended 850Watt power.  The closest was 460Watt, but I would drop to a 1T hard drive, 6GB Ram and an i3 processor.

                     

                    It's still in the cardboard box and now that my order page changed from Creative Cloud being available on May 7 to May 11, I have a few more days to ponder my options and wait for any further replies, letting me know if this HP (h8-1237c) is okay or that it will not function for CS6 Creative Cloud.

                     

                    As well, I'll spend some time back at Lynda.com retaking the few Premier classes, but having my files divided and see how that works ... the question will still remain though, if 300W new vs 350W current will make any tangible difference; I'm guessing 50W won't make much of a difference, but I could be grossly mistaken.

                     

                    Again, thank you for your assistance.

                     

                    Message was edited by: PJ 123 to add: 6GB Ram

                    • 7. Re: requirements for CS6
                      John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      Power supply size has no DIRECT impact on Premiere Pro... only on the hardware you have have installed INSIDE the case to run the program and have separate drives for video files

                       

                      I do not use external drives, but I provided 2 links to people who do use USB externals... USB 3 is, of course, better than USB 2 for video editing... eSata is also an option, IF the computer has an eSata connection

                       

                      I am not very current on the power draw of today's nVidia cards... my 2+ year old GTX 285 has TWO power connectors, and uses a fair amount of power from my 850w power supply

                      • 8. Re: requirements for CS6
                        John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        Added

                         

                        An i5 is going to be very slow if you try to edit any kind of HD video

                         

                        Go to the http://ppbm5.com/ benchmark site and view the results

                         

                        Some ideas for a Desktop Video Editing PC

                        http://www.adkvideoediting.com/

                        -ADK Kudos http://forums.adobe.com/thread/877201

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                        Build http://forums.adobe.com/thread/947698

                        -more build ideas http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html

                        -Build it Yourself http://forums.adobe.com/thread/815798

                        -http://www.shawnlam.ca/2012/premiere-pro-cs6-video-editing-computer-build/